tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post6224473939954566077..comments2023-09-02T12:16:29.832-04:00Comments on The CIS Blog: Men's basketball: 2010 Final 8 capsule previewScott Hastiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08081415078301065374noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-30375599046818450712010-03-23T19:15:00.379-04:002010-03-23T19:15:00.379-04:00Cape Breton might have been the most gifted athlet...Cape Breton might have been the most gifted athletically of<br />all 8 teams but unfortunately, they don't have much of<br />what coaches call basketball IQ.<br />Their quarter final loss to a mediocre Calgary team showed that.<br />In fact, I'd would say that the Capers are the Afghan Hounds of this years tournament.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-45560432252257480482010-03-21T20:48:38.396-04:002010-03-21T20:48:38.396-04:00WAY TO GO SASKATCHEWAN --- YOU ARE #1....YES #1WAY TO GO SASKATCHEWAN --- YOU ARE #1....YES #1SaskyFanhttp://www.huskiehoops.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-24408897655912491172010-03-19T11:41:51.040-04:002010-03-19T11:41:51.040-04:00Two things:
#1, I wouldn't underestimate Lake...Two things: <br />#1, I wouldn't underestimate Lakehead. They outscored 15 different teams in the OUA this season in the fourth quarter, and showed tremendous composure in their OUA bronze medal win against Ottawa. True, they're a young team, and will certainly be better next year, but they can win now. I'd be concerned if I was a Thunderbirds fan, especially if UBC is up by 10 points or so after 3 quarters - no lead is safe. <br /><br />#2, it's a travesty that Cole Hobin is ranked #99. He should be in the top 20, if not the top 10. He doesn't always get that many points, but he shuts players down (just ask All-Canadian 1st team guard Gibson-Bascombe) and scores momentum-changing three-pointers in big games. <br />I saw him do it at Capital Hoops, the OUA East final and the OUA final. I'd be shocked if he didn't do it at final 8.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-18693917746446702912010-03-18T22:52:03.964-04:002010-03-18T22:52:03.964-04:00I think people are splitting hairs with all the nu...I think people are splitting hairs with all the number crunching, however, I would defer to the gents who a) have seen a lot of ball and b) work with stats that have been balanced for the vast variety of styles of play.<br /><br />A quick point on CBU should serve as an appropriate example - 95 points is a huge number and could mean they are one of the better offensive teams in the CIS. However, as noted, if you only guy by raw points wouldn't that make them the secod worst defensive team in the tournament (only Saskatchewan allows more points per game)? I don't think you can say with certainty CBU is the second worst defensive team, just like you can't say they are the best offensive team.<br /><br />Either way, it would be a huge contrast in styles if UBC beats Lakehead and then meets CBU. Two quite different squads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-43558434264990153372010-03-18T13:50:26.660-04:002010-03-18T13:50:26.660-04:00Great preview Rob. One thing I may suggest is to ...Great preview Rob. One thing I may suggest is to somehow incorporate defensive skills/contributions into the player ratings. Don't know if it's possible but that surely would elevate a ranking of a player like Lakehead's Carter who may be the best defensive guard/player in the CIS.<br /><br />Mike AylwardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-68127266674633377912010-03-18T11:03:23.813-04:002010-03-18T11:03:23.813-04:00Prizby...
Yes Carleton had a bad game in York but ...Prizby...<br />Yes Carleton had a bad game in York but really doesn't every team have a bad game now and then?<br />Isn't Carleton entitled to a clunker?<br />Since the post season began Carleton has allowed 65, 64 and 52 points in three games.<br />The 52 points came in the Wilson Cup against nationally ranked Windsor.<br />Where was UBC's D when they allowed 85 points in regulation and then got stomped in OT....at home no less.<br />And the Birds allowed TRU 81 points in an uncomfortable road win so it just<br />goes to show sometimes even the best teams don't always bring the A game.A Raven Maniacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-64847723758489122902010-03-18T07:41:18.019-04:002010-03-18T07:41:18.019-04:00people think Carleton have the best defence?
Wher...people think Carleton have the best defence?<br /><br />Where was that defence when they were on the road vs. LU & York? They hit up York and give up 80 points while getting out-rebounded, by a team that had no business even competing with them in the game, then they go to LU and take a 10 point lead after the first quarter and watch what had been pretty much a poor shooting Voyageurs squad go shot for shot with them the rest of the gameprizbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-84151022114661965772010-03-18T02:06:51.600-04:002010-03-18T02:06:51.600-04:00No one said they weren't dangerous ... they...No one said they weren't dangerous ... they're very good. <br /><br />The hockey shots on goal comparison is a little off, though. It's apples and oranges. <br /><br />I see where you are coming from, Cape Breton scores a lot of points. Rob is pointing out that has to do a lot with the tempo they play at.<br /><br />It's an extreme example, and in no way am I making a comparison ... but you probably have <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/01/31/grinnell.preview/" rel="nofollow">read about</a> that Division 3 team, Grinnell College, which does a full sub every 40 seconds, attempts 60 threes a game and averages, in good seasons, averages 125 points a game.<br /><br />Some would say they're outstanding offensively because, man, 125 points ... others would say well, the tempo of their games is so sped-up they're not <i>as</i> outstanding as the raw number might have you believe.<br /><br />(Kind of amazing no one in CIS at a school where basketball is non-priority doesn't put in the Grinnell system. If you're Winnipeg, what have you got to lose?)sagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757652892056684490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-12940006445627816012010-03-18T00:55:44.599-04:002010-03-18T00:55:44.599-04:00I'm sorry if I seem like I am being a smart as...I'm sorry if I seem like I am being a smart ass, but to even imply CB is not an outstanding offensive team is crazy.<br />95 PPG is 95 PPG no matter how you slice it.<br />Ok so they have more possessions than anyone else, so what?<br />That's like saying a hockey team only scores more goals than<br />anyone else because they get more shots on goal than anyone else.<br />Look, I have seen CB up close and personal in Ottawa when they scored a season high 97 against the Gee Gees...<br />they are the real deal.<br />It's not only the MUNs and UNBs they are putting up fat numbers against.<br />You can come up with all the computations and permutations you want with that points per possession jive but Cape Breton has got skills.<br />Maybe they aren't the most efficient team in the CIS, but they are as dangerous as anyone out there.ADRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-49387005924370305462010-03-17T23:33:57.192-04:002010-03-17T23:33:57.192-04:00@ADR: You're in disagreeing for disagreeing...@ADR: You're in disagreeing for disagreeing's sake territory (quoting people's words back at them, sorry, I can't stand it, it's obnoxious. Rob knows what he said.) <br /><br />An outstanding offensive team is one which scores a lot on a per-possession basis. Cape Breton's Pace Factor is so far beyond that of anyone else that it's a big part of them averaging 95 points.<br /><br />They're a good offensive team, obviously, and I look forward to watching them play against Calgary. Good does not equal most efficient.sagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757652892056684490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-55100900317315422432010-03-17T22:32:21.575-04:002010-03-17T22:32:21.575-04:00"Scoring more when you have more opportunitie..."Scoring more when you have more opportunities doesn't make you an outstanding offensive team"<br /><br />...Well, you can't argue with logic like that, can you?Anonymous Dissenting Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-9315997097567772152010-03-17T22:20:53.718-04:002010-03-17T22:20:53.718-04:00Well, believe it or not more than one team can do ...Well, believe it or not more than one team can do that. Like Rob says, 82 points allowed per 100 possessions for UBC, 86 per 100 for Carleton. Seems like they're 1 and 1A. The difference might be Carleton's proficiency on offence.sagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757652892056684490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-19180040294268933262010-03-17T21:54:27.246-04:002010-03-17T21:54:27.246-04:00"Their opponents don't get good shots, tu..."Their opponents don't get good shots, turn the ball over a lot, and can barely get a board in edgewise...<br />That to me is the best defence in the country."<br />Are you referring to UBC?<br />Because forcing bad shots and turnovers and out rebounding opponents has been Carleton's MO for close to a decade now.A Raven Maniacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-3088984206229641262010-03-17T21:15:48.858-04:002010-03-17T21:15:48.858-04:00I'm aware of the brackets, thanks. CBU does av...I'm aware of the brackets, thanks. CBU does average a lot of points per game, but they also have far, far more possessions per game than any other teams (94 vs. 84 for the second-place team). I didn't say Cape Breton was offensively challenged, my dear anonymous dissenting reader, but scoring more when you have more opportunities doesn't make you an outstanding offensive team.<br /><br />As for the T-Birds' D, it's based partly on the snippets of games I've caught online this year, and partly on stats. UBC allowed only 82 points per 100 possessions; lowest in the country by 3 points. (Carleton's at 86.) Their opponents don't get good shots, turn the ball over a lot, and can barely get a board in edgewise. That, to me, is the best defence in the country.<br /><br />Besides, I think we can evaluate offences and defences based on something a little more sophisticated than points per game, can't we?Rob Pettapiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17743965469597855086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-89190337510321472942010-03-17T18:51:12.548-04:002010-03-17T18:51:12.548-04:00I don't know where you came up with
a/ UBC has...I don't know where you came up with<br />a/ UBC has the best defence<br />b/ UBC won't be facing "any outstanding offensive teams" in the first two rounds.<br />Carleton has the best D, no ifs, ands or buts.<br />Their PPG against of 63.1 is a full five points better than the Birds.<br />And as far as the second point goes...you might want to check the brackets again.<br />If all goes according to form, # 3 UBC will face # 2 Cape Breton in the semis.<br />Cape Breton leads the country with a 95 PPG average...<br />that's not I would call offensively challenged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-50228122518972026852010-03-17T18:26:35.206-04:002010-03-17T18:26:35.206-04:00The biggest difference between Brock and LU is tha...The biggest difference between Brock and LU is that Brock team were all 5th year guys.<br />Except for Owen White, most everyone who was instrumental in Brock's win were gone the next year.<br />LU, on the other hand, are the kiddie corps by comparison.<br />In terms of experience, they compare more with the 2000-2001 Carleton team that played<br />in their first nationals under Smart.<br />Lakehead may not win it this year...although they could...but all<br />signs point to the fact that they could well become a fixture at the final 8 for years to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-14994146092617568302010-03-17T17:10:36.218-04:002010-03-17T17:10:36.218-04:00A CIS fan, I thought I'd mention an interestin...A CIS fan, I thought I'd mention an interesting parity/comparison in the 07-08 Brock Badgers Championship team and the 09-10 Lakehead Thunderwolves teams:<br /><br />BU seeded 7th - LU seeded 6th in CIS Tourney<br />BU & LU - both faced UBC in 1st round at CIS's<br />BU & LU - both OUA Bronze Medallists to reach CIS's<br />BU & LU - both had Playoff record: 2-1<br />BU (16-6) & LU (17-5) - both finished 2nd in OUA-W<br />BU & LU - both Top 10 ranking moved 6 thru 9 for most of year<br /><br />BU had a great 1-2 combo of Rootes & White, while LU has Carter & Salhia<br /><br />Any chance of the parity ending here?<br /><br />Any debate or discussion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-9334468259032863312010-03-17T16:16:48.818-04:002010-03-17T16:16:48.818-04:00"Defence, defence, defence"?
How about C..."Defence, defence, defence"?<br />How about Carleton, Carleton, Carleton?<br />Check the tape on the Wilson Cup game, and talk to me about defence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-11815605841507793522010-03-17T13:54:15.976-04:002010-03-17T13:54:15.976-04:00UBC's defence: "Their's is the best ...UBC's defence: "Their's is the best in the country".<br /><br />Why? <br />Statistically, in points allowed per game?<br />Physically, in that they are bigger, stronger and faster than anyone else?<br />Mentally, in their toughness and composure as demonstrated in overtime playoff games?<br />Spiritually?<br /><br />Just interested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8220121611828242531.post-12003318024755947202010-03-17T12:37:44.212-04:002010-03-17T12:37:44.212-04:00Does everyone forget that the first job of a point...Does everyone forget that the first job of a point guard is to get everyone on the team involved and make their teammates better?? On paper is looks like whyte is head and shoulders above carter. But will be suprised if whyte hits his avg in points without having to take 20+ shots to do it. By far one of the most interesting matchups of the first round along with the windsor-sask game.Joe Unitnoreply@blogger.com